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Old 11-27-2009, 03:09 PM
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Not exact numbers, but it's interesting to see my HPs go up by 75%ish while AC only increases 15%ish. This is with full Tier7 Raid armor on. The point is there is a reason AC is king.
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Old 11-28-2009, 01:28 AM
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Anyone else have a rule for AC=Hp. I know a lot of tanks use between 15-10HP=1AC. Ive been using the rule of somewhere around 5-7HP=1Ac when debating on what augs to use. Anyone else use soemthing similiar to those numbers? Im sitting around 5kac unbuffed and 36khps I believe. I was going AC crazy because I've Always tried to be the tank in my group since I mean IF I can do it why settle for less DPS from a WAR : )

P.S I know we arent ment to be tanks, and I think UF will reestablish this hehe.
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Old 11-28-2009, 02:08 AM
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Even at a conservtive 5 to 1 ratio hp to ac the 25 ac 40 hp aug would = 190 hps.

So a 15 to 1 would pop that aug to 415hps.

So unless there is a stat other than ac/hp you would need -- go for the ac augs...
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Old 11-28-2009, 02:52 AM
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Because the first and last graph data do not have the same number of hits, one can not calculate an accurate ratio...but the ac 3373 and ac 3951 graphs are nearly the same 196 hits to 195...if you add all the damage and subtract then divide the dif in ac you get a 15 hp to 1 ac ratio.

Ac 3373 hts 196 dmg 178330 to ac 3951 hits 195 dmg 169184...

Dif in dmg = 9146 divided by the dif in ac 578 equals 15...

If we ever do another ac chart...we need to keep all things equal except for the ac so we can get a more accurate ratio...but I think we can safely say 15 to 1 is a good place to start, if I added everything right.
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Old 11-28-2009, 05:14 AM
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if your getting smacked around by trash mobs your knights are doing something wrong.

if your a grouper and like to tank ac ftw.

me personally i dont like to tank i find it boring.
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Old 11-30-2009, 07:36 PM
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I'd run around in nothing but a loin cloth if my ACC went up!
New charm for zerkers? The more revealing our armor, the higher our ACC, ATK, procs per minute, and haste cap are.

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Old 12-01-2009, 02:00 AM
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What I am currently working on ... UF could change some of the choices ... Goal was to max AC and HPs without sacrificing too much of either also to keep as many of the augs with heroic stats and mod 2s as needed just to give some breathing room with gear selection. After making up a magelo with current gear and just changing up augs i discovered I would drop @ 414 hps and gain @ 315 AC based on the augs I had when I started to work on filling out this wish list.

[] Ear : Drop of Dread ... Kaesora Library
[x] Neck: Bayle' Heraldic ... OGH task arc
[] Face : Model XLII Spatial Temporal Oculus ... SoF tasks
[x] Head: Silver Threaded Worm Gear Model XXVII .... Anniversary Event
[] Ear: Timeworn Bone .... Kaesora Library
[] Finger: Fragment of Heavy Steamwork Plating ... Mech Guardian
[x] Wrist: Bronze Slant Thread Pinion Gear Model XVIII ... Anniversary Event
[] Arms: Warleader's Pearl ... Gyrospire Beza
[x] Hands: Jonas Dagmire's Skeletal Hand ... TBS quest arc
[x] Wrist: Blood of the Fallen ... Kithcor task arc
[] Finger: Bonegrinder's Bauble ... FoS
[x] Shoulder: Geartop Gear ... MMM
[] Chest: Dark Soul Crystal ... Discord task arc
[] Back: Charged Alloy Bolt ... Steam Factory
[] Waist: Curator's Treasure ... Discord random
[x] Legs: Ksathrax's Amber ... Discord random
[x] Feet: Carefully Weighted Brass Pinion Model L ... Anniversary Events
[x] Range: Platinum Plated Worm Pinion Gear Model ... Anniversary Events
[] Charm: Valthon's Memory Shard ... HoS Quest arc

note: Have Crest of Scarlet Legions and Feral Eye and I can use them in place of a number of the above choices this was just a working list.
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Old 12-01-2009, 08:30 AM
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if your getting smacked around by trash mobs your knights are doing something wrong.

if your a grouper and like to tank ac ftw.

me personally i dont like to tank i find it boring.
If you're a bad tank it can be quite exciting, trust me on this.
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Old 12-01-2009, 02:48 PM
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i tend to tank adds in grp settings or i can usually take over on named if the tank goes down and the mob has been slowed lol. its also very helpful for not splatting when a roamer comes by.
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Old 12-02-2009, 02:15 AM
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If I had a nickel for every time the MT dies during raids and I'm the next person in HotT ... right or wrong I try to push my dps to the point where I'm potentially ganking aggro whenever I can

As far as group settings go more often than not what little time I have for grouping its me 3 boxing with maybe a merc or 2 along so I inevitably end up tanking on my Beserker :/ Fortunately a lot of the time I take less damage on the Beserker than I do on my Paladin (hes mostly geared from TBS or earlier stuff ya I slack )
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Old 12-02-2009, 01:13 PM
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ya when i first started raiding i died anytime a fly hit me, after a few months and a significant ac jump i stopped dieing unless the knights did :P Im getting pretty excited for UF so i might just hop back on soon
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Old 12-03-2009, 05:35 PM
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well ... we have self preservation now so when the MT dies you just hit it and your off agro and you've faded...
so ac augs arn't for raids anymore they for tanking group ****
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Old 12-03-2009, 10:18 PM
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depends on the % of the raid mob I guess. Even though Id rathe die like a man than fade like a little bish and hear it for the next year from my guild. wth does me living through a wipe accomplish realistically?

However If the raid mob is at 1% and im in full omfg ima die burn mode maybe i might get all the glory!
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Old 12-04-2009, 12:57 AM
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well ... we have self preservation now so when the MT dies you just hit it and your off agro and you've faded...
so ac augs arn't for raids anymore they for tanking group ****
Personally I'll turn off attack and spam de aggro and tank the mob for as long as I can unless it looks like I'm going to die before I use it or a DA click. A lot depends on mob HPs when it happens ... dead dps is no dps ...
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Old 12-04-2009, 01:54 PM
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with raid gear in a grp situation i can do more than enough agro to tank and i will almost always die before the healer. so like i said in the nda thread, the only use i see for this is really just for soloing.
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Old 01-06-2010, 10:13 PM
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Yay, i met my mark of 4k ac unbuffed. Reading this thread made me want HIGH AC
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Old 02-27-2010, 04:48 AM
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I broke the 6k AC barrier today: buffed, metal orb, bard song, and personal trib on for 6066AC. With warrior aura, I was able to get 6154AC.

I have been working on improving my AC since last September. I had about 4500AC buffed, and was in SoD t4/t5 group level gear, and had augs mostly focused on HP and if they had AC and end or heroics, that was bonus. I started replacing my augs with a goal of 30AC or better in each slot (not counting charm: I have slipgear for 10AC, and missed out on dragons3 for the upgrade charm aug). I have 5-25AC augs, and 1-24AC aug. The rest are 30AC or better, now. I was also able to replace my old group level gear with raid gear over the past 8 months

On raids, when MT eats it, I often found myself on HoTT, and when I was 4500AC, it meant insta-death. Even at just below 6k AC I am able to tell a noticeable difference. I still cannot tank raid mobs ( nor should I be able to as I'm not a tank), but I can stop fighting, hit jarring clash, or hit self preservation, and survive the few hits that I will take. Dead zerkers do zero DPS.

In raid and group situations, the high AC keeps me from taking as much damage, so less healing is needed.

With a full set of augs (in every slot for conversation's sake, value of 100hp), you are only going to gain about 2k HP. That is 1/4 of a hit from UF mobs that hit for 8k. To me, it was a no brainer. Getting hit for 5-6k from SoD mobs, that only works out to about less than half a hit.....for all those augs. I haven't parsed and scientifically tested anything. But I can say from experience, I do better with 2k less HP, and 1k more AC. The guy that posted, who put in the work on the parses demonstrates the point clearly enough. (kudos to you)

Completely unbuffed with just metal orb, I'm at 5250AC.
Unbuffed with just FoD6 clicky buff and Metal Orb, I am at 5409AC.
Unbuffed with jsut FoD6 clicky buff, Metal Orb, and personal Tribute on, I am 5495AC.
Raid Buffed without a bard, I'm just under 6k AC, which is typical. (I dont usually have a warrior or bard in group, when I raid,although my daily group usually includes a bard)

I may have lost a couple of positions on the eqplayers leaderboards, from having a focus on AC instead of HP, but I still place top15 on my server. My goal isn't to place high on the list, but to be a better Berserker in the battlefield.

As a Zerker with focus on AC over HP, my game has improved.... a lot. If I eat a little enrage, the MT dies, or a Rogue over DPs's and mob spins around, and I take a few ripostes, it no longer is a near death experience, or a death sentence. It helps reduce healing needed on me, and lets the healers stay focused on the tanks.

I am 35 worn shielding, 100 worn avoidance, CA28/33, CS18/33, and have a few more 30 and 35AC augs on my to-do list still. I also only have 2-25 purity augs. The rest are all 20's. I still have room for further improvement on my AC, and will continue to work on it. Like I said, not scientific, but put to use in the field, it sure has helped my game. I hope this information was helpful.

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Old 02-27-2010, 03:09 PM
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grats! im working on 6k myself. Im number 15 on server for hp but 3 for ac atm lol. Im up to about 5500 buffed so when some of the grp items I picked up get replaced I should be there. Im about 400 ac below you now Still got quite a few old man augs to get and never got the LL augs last year so those will be a huge bump

Here's a tip for you guys. The common rule of ac is either 5 -1 or 10-1 . Elemental PS nets you about 600 hp maybe 50ish ac, metal ps nets about 200ac. Thats an obvious choice. FoD clickies ftw and fabled shadowspine chain mail (which i do not have yet /cry). I stopped at 24/24 ca/cs to work on hp and am now rounding out some secondary discs. I very rarely die in a grp anymore or even on raids. When I die it usually is because the raid mob hits for 10K+ and I take a bad round or the healer is not paying attention. Gotta keep on those slackers, sometiems they think they can just grp heal all day in a dps grp
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Old 02-27-2010, 05:12 PM
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I believe in a balance of AC and HP after having seen results from different postings around the web. So I have been compiling a list of augs to invest my time in.

Click here for Augs

It is a work in progress. Currently, I am aiming at AC +HP, or AC +dps (H dex for example) or HP +DPS. If I can get all three, all the better.
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Old 02-27-2010, 11:33 PM
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eqclickies.com

Has a good aug listing and you can sort augs by hp:ac ratios

Also my RL bro is a 6350ish unbuffed shielded warrior and UF content tosses them around, if you get aggro on the beast with 7k ac he'd still have a very good chance of one rounding you.

So thats why I mostly mix my augs up.
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